Originally by: Ishikari

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In game isk prices are set by players, players will sell them for what people will pay. So, blame the players for the high isk prices.

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Originally by: ouroboros trading

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30 days used to cost 160million ish and now it's double that. ain't that 100% ;oP


whilst it doesn't affect me i can observe that the market is being exposed to unhealthy influences which drive the prices of game time up; isk farmers think nothing of paying more, where-as a normal casual player will wince at the 100% rise in game time cost. Isk farmers carry on, casual players get hurt, players who sell GTCs turn a blind eye and say 'market forces'.

:/

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Originally by: Explorers Ascendant

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Originally by: Ishikari

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In game isk prices are set by players, players will sell them for what people will pay. So, blame the players for the high isk prices.

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Then maybe CCP should set a max limit on what GTC's can be sold for in isk. Thats also does not change the fact that the real life money cost of GTC's and playing the game has risen to over 50% more than before.

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Originally by: Pesky LaRue

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Originally by: Explorers Ascendant

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Used to cost me around 7 english pounds a month per account. Its now around 11.50-12 pounds a month per account. or 23-24 pounds in one pop per account every 2 months. Thats over a 50% rise in cost of playing eve.

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presumably you're paying in ISK to see this kind of jump? if so, do you have a valid reason not to pay by credit card?

the global economy is out of CCP's reach, and as they're one of the few publishers that provide a legitimate way of buying ingame currency for real-life cash within a player-driven economy, it's not really their responsibility to impose limits on what should be charged.

i have to say, the price of EVE hasn't changed for me in the four years i've been playing because for 50 cents a day, i'd rather just stick it on my card.

if you don't have, or can't get a card, that might say something about your current situation. if you don't want a credit card (for whatever reason) don't complain that the alternative doesnt' suit your taste.

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Originally by: Pesky LaRue

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Originally by: Explorers Ascendant

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Typical responces.....Anything we havn't already heard before from people who actually bother to read?

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what response are you looking for?

the solution to your problem lays within your reach, but you want another, more palatable solution and so don't want to hear the perfectly logical responses?

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Originally by: Explorers Ascendant

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Ok I won't drag on as it been posted about before but is anything being done about the real life prices and the in game prices?

Used to cost me around 7 english pounds a month per account. Its now around 11.50-12 pounds a month per account. or 23-24 pounds in one pop per account every 2 months. Thats over a 50% rise in cost of playing eve.

This combined with the in game isk price rising to 300mill a month or 600 mill in one pop is making it impossible to pay for accounts one way or the other.

How is this benefiting eve or CCP in the long run?

Answer from a GM please.

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Explorers Ascendant

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Typical responces.....Anything we havn't already heard before from people who actually bother to read?

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You want a answer that suits your biased opinion on GTC's but there isn't one (well a feasable one anyways). Once the GTC is bought by the player it is owned by the player, not the company, and the player can do what he wants with it within reasonable restrictions, and by that I mean that the GTC can not be sold for real money (see terms and restrictions).

But it can be sold for in game money and the company does not police how much the GTC can be sold for, which is left to the owners discretion. IF the owner feels that the GTC is worth X amount of ingame isk then he will charge X amount. If someone pays X amount then the owner will retain the GTC price at X amount. Later he may see if he can sell for Y amount, and if someone pays Y then he will retain Y amount.

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Originally by: Tasty Bit

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Originally by: Explorers Ascendant

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Ok I won't drag on as it been posted about before but is anything being done about the real life prices and the in game prices?

Used to cost me around 7 english pounds a month per account. Its now around 11.50-12 pounds a month per account. or 23-24 pounds in one pop per account every 2 months. Thats over a 50% rise in cost of playing eve.

This combined with the in game isk price rising to 300mill a month or 600 mill in one pop is making it impossible to pay for accounts one way or the other.

How is this benefiting eve or CCP in the long run?

Answer from a GM please.

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It's 12 quid a month, ffs.

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Originally by: CrayC

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Originally by: Explorers Ascendant

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If stupid people and isk famres are hiking up the in game cost for gtc's than I see no reason why CCP can't just put a limit on what GTC's can be sold for.

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Because they can now be traded on the ingame market. By saying a 30-day code must not cost more than 150 million ISK, they would indicate that the value of ingame currency is 10 million ISK = 1$/Ç. This would make the ISK farmers lower their prices, making it more attractive for the regular player to buy ISK from them instead of through the legal system. This is bad on a lot of levels, but if you can't see that, you fail at life and should trash all your items and cancel your accounts right away...

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Like I said, you want a answer that suits your biased opinion. good luck bud

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Originally by: Ascuris Wurm

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Originally by: Explorers Ascendant

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Actually was just looking for other ideas from people with more of an imagination that from people who just spout the most obvious stuff everyone has already heard a zillion times.

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If you don't want the answers everyone has heard a zillion times, don't ask a question we've heard a zillion times.

This question has been answered zillions of times - and the answer is:

SUPPLY AND DEMAND
period
case closed
show over
there's no box to think out of
there's nothing CCP should do

Nothing new to see here, move along...

That doesn't make us nubs, or sheep or idiots. If you want to stick to the topic, then fine, stick to the topic and beat the dead horse some more with your brand new stick... but the horse is dead, it's been dead, and no amount of new people with new sticks are going to change that.

Name calling makes you seem even more like someone who is trolling.

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Originally by: Explorers Ascendant

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Alot of nubs here and mistaking this as personal and talking about adults and children and answers that suit me and blah blah blah. Cutt the bull guys and stay on topic.

I am looking to hear from the people of eve who are not going to state the obvious or the same dribble you guys think justify's everything and no a credit card does not solve this issue at all.

This is a topic that has frack all to do with my personal circumstances or what I think or want. Its me stating facts of the current situation and getting responces from people who use there imagination for out of the box thinking.

People who can't do this are whats wrong with the world and have the typical accept the way things are type of thinking.

Get off my topic fools.

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Originally by: Explorers Ascendant

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Edited by: Explorers Ascendant on 19/11/2008 18:39:09

Originally by: Ascuris Wurm

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Originally by: Explorers Ascendant

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Actually was just looking for other ideas from people with more of an imagination that from people who just spout the most obvious stuff everyone has already heard a zillion times.

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If you don't want the answers everyone has heard a zillion times, don't ask a question we've heard a zillion times.

This question has been answered zillions of times - and the answer is:

SUPPLY AND DEMAND
period
case closed
show over
there's no box to think out of
there's nothing CCP should do

Nothing new to see here, move along...

That doesn't make us nubs, or sheep or idiots. If you want to stick to the topic, then fine, stick to the topic and beat the dead horse some more with your brand new stick... but the horse is dead, it's been dead, and no amount of new people with new sticks are going to change that.

Name calling makes you seem even more like someone who is trolling.

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If you think that is true .........why are you still reading and posting?

Keep it comin.

Originally by: Explorers Ascendant

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Alot of nubs here and mistaking this as personal and talking about adults and children and answers that suit me and blah blah blah. Cutt the bull guys and stay on topic.

I am looking to hear from the people of eve who are not going to state the obvious or the same dribble you guys think justify's everything and no a credit card does not solve this issue at all.

This is a topic that has frack all to do with my personal circumstances or what I think or want. Its me stating facts of the current situation and getting responces from people who use there imagination for out of the box thinking.

People who can't do this are whats wrong with the world and have the typical accept the way things are type of thinking.

Get off my topic fools.

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Originally by: Lee Dalton

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How much are subscriptions elsewhere (especially the USA)?

For the UK, we are billed in euros.

For 1 month subscriptions, this is:

EU 14.99 =
GBP 12.50 =
USD 18.87.

(According to xe.com at the time of writing.)

Only took about 20 comments before someone actually starts looking at the situation from an objectve point of view even though it might not change anything still takes a look anyway.

THANKYOU for getting it.
A 60 day GTC costs USD 34.99 as far as I am aware.

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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Originally by: Explorers Ascendant

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I don't like hearing the true options that are out there because player run markets are causing a problem for me, which I am denying and saying it's for others, then telling people they are noobs because I'm not getting the answer I like.

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Not sure if you've even read the posts, but here, let me break it down for you.

CCP charges a subscription for X amount. X being roughly $15 US, but converted into that countries payment system (include VAT where applicable).

30 day GTC's were sold at the same price by wholesales sites which was the same price for the US at least, to pay the game at the month. Wholesale sites purchase them for Y amount again depending on currency.

If CCP were to police how much GTC's were sold for, then why don't they have an automatic purchasing site attached to www.eve-online.com and waste time to wholesales?

Once sold, CCP cannot police what their wholesalers sell it for. Sure, they could sell it for cheaper, but will the wholesalers sell for the same price to increase their profits?

If CCP said, you can only sell for X ammount, you need to figure, with overhead, is it worth it? Probably not, then you will have a domino effect. People will stop selling GTC's as it is not worth it, which means players will stop buying it, which means people will stop playing EVE for those who cannot afford it, which means CCP, in theory, will lose out on 2x kinds of income because of the whole deal.

So, what do we have? A player run GTC market that is priced and valued by players, because of the price they purchase them, their stupidity on how much isk they can milk out of each card (for those selling at stupidly low prices). The demand is there. The supply is there. The willing to part with isk is there. You just get a lot of cannon fodder between the trades :)

Hopefully, this is what your looking for. And this thread can come to an end.

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